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« on: May 15, 2009, 11:40:37 AM »

Hi Poker Players,

Here is a list of odds i found for playing poker. Im kinda of sorry i looked it up...it seems dismal!!!! These are the odds before the flop.

Hand                          Odds
Royal Flush               1 in 649,740........unreal!

Straight Flush           1 in 72,193.........and it pays the same as four of a kind in V.P.Huh??

Four of a Kind           1 in 4,165..........and to think i had a bad beat with this hand!!

Full House                1 in 694............sounds about right

Flush                       1 in 508............hmmm would of thought lower odds on this

Straight                   1 in 254............very common at the table

Three of a Kind         1 in 47..............i guess thats why i lose alot with this hand

Two Pairs                 1 in 21.............another hand that pays the same as one pair on V.P.

One Pair                   1 in 2..............sometimes i am lucky to even get this!!

The odds seem discouraging. I have one Royal Flush in hold em! Unfortunately everyone folded and i couldnt show off my hand!

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« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2009, 11:51:03 AM »

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I have one Royal Flush in hold em! Unfortunately everyone folded and i couldnt show off my hand!

Aaargghh... You might have to personally email them all a screenshot of it  Cheesy.

Yeah, those odds are discouraging, but people still play lotto too  :Smiley

Check out this youtube video from '08 WSOP if you haven't seen it.  A royal flush takes down 4 aces and to top it off Ray Romano had just sat down at the table.  What are the odds of all 3 of those events happening?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdeNyPxdxBo
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« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2009, 01:24:43 AM »

i researched these poker odds:

Some Common Poker Odds

Figuring out your odds of winning is a matter of "counting your outs". When, in the first example with the flush, I said you had 9 cards that would make your hand the best, that's the same as saying that "you have nine outs." Any card that will give you the best hand is an out. Sometimes it's easy to count your outs, especially when you're drawing to the nuts, and sometimes it's virtually impossible. Anyway, the numbers below are based on some assumptions, which in turn are listed next to odds. I've also not included any odds to tell you what your chances are of hitting a hand with two cards to come. I know that a lot of people like to know these numbers, but I'm not sure why because they don't help, except in the fairly uncommon scenario where either you or your opponent are all-in already on the flop. These poker odds are assuming that you're on the turn and want to see a river, although they are close enough approximations to use on the flop as well. So, without further ado:
Open-Ended Straight Draw:  4.8 : 1

For example, 8-7 on a A-9-6-2 board. You are drawing to 8 outs - the four fives, and the four tens, these will give you the nuts. These odds of winning presume that there is no possible flush on the board, and that you're drawing to the pure nuts. If you have 7-6 on a A-9-8-K board, the tens may not be outs for you, as they could possibly make someone else a bigger straight (someone who has QJ).
Four to a Flush: 4.1 : 1

Like the first example above. The assumption is that you're drawing to the nut flush, e.g. no one can make a higher flush than you. This is especially important if you only have one card to make the flush, i.e. your two hole cards are not suited. If your hole cards are suited, and there are two more of your suit on the board, you can most often treat any flush as the nuts since it's very rare that you will be up against another person with two cards in the hole of your suit. If you are drawing to a four flush on the board, however, you should be extremely careful if you do not have the ace. Poker players like drawing to flushes, and poker players like playing aces - these two facts combined make your odds of winning a lot lower if you chase to anything but the nut flush in these cases.
Inside Straight (Belly Buster): 10.5 : 1

Again, I'm assuming that you're drawing to the nuts, e.g. with 8-7 on a board of A-9-5-K. Any of the four sixes will give you the nuts. Unless you use both your hole cards to make the straight, however, you will not be drawing to the nuts. If the board is A-9-6-5 and you have 7-2, any 8 will give you a straight, but it's not the nut straight; someone with T-7 will have the nuts.
One pair, drawing to two pair or trips: 8.2 : 1

If you have J-T on a board of A-J-8-3, and you strongly suspect that you're up against a someone with a pair of aces, you have five outs to beat him: Three tens (giving you two pair), and two jacks (giving you trips). Your odds here are based on the assumption that your opponent does not have AJ or AT! This is a dangerous assumption to make, and you should realistically have more than enough odds than 8:1 to profitably make this call to make up for the times when you are drawing to only half as many outs as you think you are.
Overcards on a ragged flop: 6.7 : 1

Now we've really entered a dangerous assumption. If you have KQ on a board of 8-5-2, and you think your opponent has a pair of eights, but not a queen or a king kicker, you have six outs (any queen or king will make you a better pair). The odds of 6.7 - 1 only hold true if your assumption is correct. It will often be the case that you're wrong, however, so in reality you need to discount your outs severely.
Drawing to a set: 22 : 1

For example, if you're holding 7-7 on a A-K-9-2 board, and your only saving grace is a third 7. This is a really farfetched draw, and my only reason for even including it is to show just how farfetched it is. I have (almost) never seen a pot big enough to warrant drawing to a set. Fold in all but the most extreme pot sizes.
Drawing to X outs: (46-X) / X : 1

This is the generic formula. If you're another draw than the ones I've listed above, and want to figure out your odds for it, you do this: Figure out your number of outs (you're on your own there), then take 46 minus this number. Divide the result by the number of outs, and voila - you have your odds. For example, if I'm drawing both to a set and to a flush, e.g. I have reason to believe my opponent has two pair, and I have AA, with four to a flush, my outs are any ace (giving me a set) plus 9 flush cards (giving me a flush), totalling 11 outs. This gives:

46 - 11 = 35.

35 / 11 = 3.2

My odds of drawing a winner are 3.2 : 1
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« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2009, 02:42:12 AM »

Yep there is an easy way to calculate the odds and if you are a bit of a mathematician you should be a good poker player.  I prefer the percentages for calculating the odds - I find it easier to get on with although I do use the odds as described in your post critter.  Quite often I ignore the odds and go with gut instinct depending upon the site I'm playing on.  Unfortunately, online poker and their random card generators seem a little fixed and go in favour of the person who has chips left in their stack when others are all in.  I've seen it so many times and its very annoying.

Example would be chip leader goes all in with 67 off and hits a flush on the river against your pocket aces or your straight.  You know for sure that in real life you would have won and the odds of 4 of the same suit falling on the table are very low but I see it all the time.

I actually prepared a post about "how many outs" are there for new poker players but didn't post it because I have been so busy these last few days (on LCB).  So just for a bit of fun, and it is relative to your post - here it is:



You've probably heard the term "poker outs" which refers to the number of cards that could make you a hand.  An example would be if you held 10 J off suit and the cards on the table were KA98 - you would have 8 outs 4 x any 7 and 4 x any Q - 8 cards (outs).

In this example how many outs do you think there are? (This is a real hand I had recently and I will let you know what the river was when there are some replies)

Your hand 5h 7h

Flop Ks 9d 4h

Turn 6h

How many cards do you have a choice of to make you a decent hand i.e. how many outs do you have?

....and critter - what are the odds of you hitting any one of those cards?

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