What would you do? Poker hand of the Week.

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  • I would probably have to go with this one and call.  Too many outs plus you have 2 over cards.  Your opponent probably has king rag or queen rag...maybe the "rag" pairs one of the card on the board.

     

    I'll be intrigued to hear what you did bigdk.

     

     

  • alot of your answer depends on the situation. Is it a tournament? Cash game? Is it near the bubble of a tournmanet? SNG?

     

    Alot of variables to determine what exactly to do.

     

    Pot size is also crucial as is your stack size.

     

    Ill give my answer based on a generic situation. As much as i woudl hate to call off an all in. i would def, shove this hand, but it always sux calling.

     

    I would still call as, your liekly in a race or slightly ahead Even against some pairs, your ahead here.

     

     

  • This was the outcome hit no other club or 2 or queen or ace!! and my opponent shows pocket kings!! so one more ace would have beat him still say its too many outs to fold nah was nowhere near the bubble that's why I took my chance to attempt to double up. All a learning curve for me just came 3rd at coral there (different tourney) could not fold my 3 7s other guy gets a straight thanks to the river card! would have went up to over 100k in chips! 

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  • This was the outcome hit no other club or 2 or queen or ace!! and my opponent shows pocket kings!! so one more ace would have beat him still say its too many outs to fold nah was nowhere near the bubble that's why I took my chance to attempt to double up. All a learning curve for me just came 3rd at coral there (different tourney) could not fold my 3 7s other guy gets a straight thanks to the river card! would have went up to over 100k in chips!

    Cant fault a call here. Your ahead of almost every hand except KK and QQ. against JJ, your a slight favorite. Ofcourse sets and straights your behind, but he doesnt have that since he went all in. Players slow play here with nut hands almost always

     

    good call, just unlucky

  • Darn shame that, but then it is poker...

     

    katt

  • Very unlucky bigdk.  Definitely a good call - just unlucky is all.

  • Yeah and at least I never went out on the bubble coulda been worse eh! There is no way I could fold that hand and woulda been alot worse if someone else had called and a club had appeared!

  • This was a hand I played yesterday. I havent played in a few months, so this spot got me a bit wierded out.

     

    I hold A9 off suit on the button. Villian limps, hes been limping in a lot. i raise to 4x. BB calls and limper calls. Pot is now $25.

     

    Flop comes 5 3 7 with 2 hearts. This is a dry flop in most suituations, but its also well within the limpers range as he could have just about anything since he was very loose.

     

    Its checked to me.... What do you do?

     

     

  • Dangerous flop with 2 hearts on the board along with a possible straight.  I would probably place half to two thirds pot tester bet and see what the opponent does.  If he raises I'm folding - if he folds all well and good but if he calls he's probably hit or he's drawing.

  • yeah if its a heads up session I agree with blue do a bet for info of about $10-15. if he raises that then get the hell outta there because he either has the hand already or is just about there with a gutshot to hit that straight and poss a gutshot flush as well.  Generally as a rule for myself I get outta it if there is a few of one suit and I don't have any cards of that suit its just not a comfortable situation for me but from the way opponents bet its a dead giveaway unless they are a pro who have made a set from the flop then you just gotta take it on the chin!

  • I elected to check since I was against 2 players and had no backdoor draws other than a low end straight which would have been almost worthless if it came.

     

    I felt that I was almost never getting a fold on both players and I would usually have to fire 3 barrels in this spot for any chance to win the pot.

  • What was the outcome?

  • misread your original post if its up against two players yes a check is wise and then see what they do next then base next move on that. would be interesting to hear the outcome of this please.

  • No outcome?

     

  • I elected to check since I was against 2 players and had no backdoor draws other than a low end straight which would have been almost worthless if it came.

     

    I felt that I was almost never getting a fold on both players and I would usually have to fire 3 barrels in this spot for any chance to win the pot.

    This was the out come. I checked and then folded the turn to a bet. Sorry, wasnt very exciting. Cant remmber exactly why I posted this hand, but i knew it had something important. If I can remember Ill repost. Sorry for the anti climactic post

  • ok heres one for you. Heres the situation I was in I called with A9 suited Diamonds the flop brings 4h 3d 6d you check if your draw is strongest the small stack bets so big you are put all in what would you do here? also worth mentioning you are nearing end of tourney about 30spots from the bubble so winning this decent pot would save you from being eliminated from hefty blinds and fairly big anti...

  • A check is ok, but i prefer betting yourself since you know any bet from your opponent puts you all in.

     

    A check is good if you plan on calling and are trying to induce a bet. But, most of the time betting yourself is best. You give yourself 2 chances to win the pot.

     

    As played, call since you have lots of outs so long as they dont have a set or trips. you may have the best hand now since they are probably betting any flop.

     

     

  • There is a lot of info the effects this decision for me... Is this a freeroll, $$ buyin, how much $$, how long has tournament been running ( I play much better if its 3 hours into a tournament than if its only been running 45 minutes).

     

    If it's a freeroll or micro stakes buyin that's been running for 1hr30min or less I would likely call, otherwise I will fold.

  • A check is ok, but i prefer betting yourself since you know any bet from your opponent puts you all in.

     

    A check is good if you plan on calling and are trying to induce a bet. But, most of the time betting yourself is best. You give yourself 2 chances to win the pot.

     

    As played, call since you have lots of outs so long as they dont have a set or trips. you may have the best hand now since they are probably betting any flop.

     

     

     

    Must agree with betting the flop rather than checking

     

  • I have to agree that I would have bet after the flop because the chances are you're going to go with it anyway and you have a great chance of hitting that flush.  So I would call any bet (although betting first was the better option).

     

    Looking forward to hearing the outcome.

  • Heres the outcome the only reason I checked the strength of my hand is because recently got put out when some donkey had 2-4 pocket and they made a 6 high straight from the flop I immediately saw a straight draw if they were either donkeys or geniuses to have that they oculd have 7 high straight from this flop or any straight to 6 actually. that is the reason I didnt bet. I took some time and thought about what they might have and did call all my chips in the turn was ace of clubs giving him better aces than me but then as I hoped 10 of diamonds on the river! giving me the Ace high flush! won 8.5k pot and basically saved me from going out think I actually folded every hand from then even folded big slick!

  • There is a lot of info the effects this decision for me... Is this a freeroll, $$ buyin, how much $$, how long has tournament been running ( I play much better if its 3 hours into a tournament than if its only been running 45 minutes).

     

    If it's a freeroll or micro stakes buyin that's been running for 1hr30min or less I would likely call, otherwise I will fold.

     

    Was about 1hr 30 mins into the free roll but it not just any freeroll it was entry to another that if I come 3rd or better in I win entry to a 50k tournament which normally has a buy in cost of 200bucks ;)

  • Well done bigdk.  A great outcome.

  • 5 players left in this 9 seater cheap sitngo.

     

    I'm BB and blinds are 200/400.  The player to my left (UTG) has 820 chips left and raises me all in.  I have 72 off suit and just under 3k in chips.

     

    He's a pretty good player who had only been going in with good hands.Would you call the all in bet?

  • I'd fold blue cause when you pay the small blind you'll still have about 6 bigs left I'd wait for something at least like 10j or kq at least very minimum I'd call with even shortstacked is 78suited/off suit

  • I would have to say I would fold, he probably has something pretty solid. I wouldn't want to help him get back in the game!

  • Its a close one here. Im not exactly positive what the ICM numbers are here, but your getting better than 2-1 odds on a call. Your 400 +his 820 = 1220. You only need to call 400, so your getting 3.1-1 odds.

     

    I think i call here, but cant fault a fold.

  • This decision also has alot to do with the other players chips. If there is one or two shorties that will change the math on this decision.

     

     

  • There was one other shortstack.

     

    I did in fact fold and chip leader at the table had a right go at me.  "Any two cards" he said to me.  I told him I had 72 off and he said it didn't matter.  I told him I didn't want to help him get back into the game by throwing chips at the pot with a crap hand.  He said that he did see my point.

     

    The very next hand I had 9s and I was SB.  Everyone else folded and this player who is now BB has 1220  chips.  I raised him all in and he called with AQ.  I hit quads and knocked him out. 

     

    I've called (many times) with any two cards before in similar positions and the player gets back into the game and goes on to win or place in the money.    I think I made the right decision this time.

     

  • There was one other shortstack.

     

    I did in fact fold and chip leader at the table had a right go at me.  "Any two cards" he said to me.  I told him I had 72 off and he said it didn't matter.  I told him I didn't want to help him get back into the game by throwing chips at the pot with a crap hand.  He said that he did see my point.

     

    The very next hand I had 9s and I was SB.  Everyone else folded and this player who is now BB has 1220  chips.  I raised him all in and he called with AQ.  I hit quads and knocked him out. 

     

    I've called (many times) with any two cards before in similar positions and the player gets back into the game and goes on to win or place in the money.    I think I made the right decision this time.

     

     

    While I can see your point of no letting him get back in the game. If you really think about it, your only giving him 400 more chips so your not giving him much.

     

    I would say that by folding your giving him a free chance to get back in the game since he will double his stack almost when you fold. The math is right for a call so why make it easy for them when you the amount of chips you will be giving will be nominal compared to what they will win if you fold.

     

     

  • I agree with the fold. Odds or not 7 2 is the worst hand in the game. I would have needed a bigger stack to make that call and I would still consider it being reckless yo.

  • Good result then blue awesome when you pick up a good hand after such a rotten one as 7/2! I agree with orren no matter what my stack I fold garbage like that I have to have a solid reason for making the call/allin bet Can I make a flush? a straight? a set? also is my hand really valuable enough to use my chips on it? Only time I'm playing these hands is in position as I have staked a blind anyway but if nothing good comes from that flop I'm always folding crappy hands. This tactic has seen me go pretty far in tournaments! Then when I have solid made hands I steamroller my opponents! other day I pick up set of 7s from flop I place a weak looking bet of 300 from my stack of 9k he goes all in I shove back and all he has is pair of kings 1 K in his hand and one on board :)! And naturally I took down the pot!

  • Great comments everyone.  It's nice to get some views on this, particularly as it is the worst starting hand.  Had the call been 100 or thereabouts, I definitely would have called regardless.  I've called with 23 before (and won).

     

    Thanks all.

     

    blue

  • I once won with 4/5 suited got a straight the other guy called me a donk but I said no I just outplayed you I had great odds to enter the pot and my actual reason was because I was short stacked and it was a large pot blinds were getting too high etc think he had like pocket queens or aces or something big pretty funny! but I did have a reason to play the hand!

  • I once won with 4/5 suited got a straight the other guy called me a donk but I said no I just outplayed you I had great odds to enter the pot and my actual reason was because I was short stacked and it was a large pot blinds were getting too high etc think he had like pocket queens or aces or something big pretty funny! but I did have a reason to play the hand!

     

    Absolutely.  On the other side of the coin, I've seen players fold where all they needed to call and see the hand was 70 chips and there was around 5k in the pot. That to me is absurd regardless of what's in your hand.  I did question it with the player and more or less accused him of chip dumping (I never said the words - just intimated).  Needless to say, I didn't get a response.

  • I would like to add one more aspect that I feel people are missing.

     

    Poker is a game of math and especially with sit n gos we need to focus on whether or not the play was mathematically correct. Regardless of the outcome, if the play was correct because it will show a profit in the long run, we should not worry about what happens.

     

    When we play a hand and lose, often tmes we feel it was a bad play or we should ahve made another decision. this is common among players and very hard to shake. When we lose a hand we can not help but question ourselves if was the right play.

     

    When we win, we think we are the shit and made the perfect play. Sometimes playing a hand and winning a big pot, does not it was played the right way and will not have that outcome most of the time.

     

    As for this hand , I am not positive what ther exact numbers are on whether or not it is correct to call or fold. Its very close either way and so many factors come into play that its difficult to come up with an answer right away.

     

    But the real question we should be asking, is not what you would do, rather, What should we do based on what the correct play is. We should not focus on what happened after the hand, or 2 hands later. The only thing that matters is understandning whether or not our decision was the correct one based on profit, not on outcome.

  • I would like to add one more aspect that I feel people are missing.

     

    Poker is a game of math and especially with sit n gos we need to focus on whether or not the play was mathematically correct. Regardless of the outcome, if the play was correct because it will show a profit in the long run, we should not worry about what happens.

     

    When we play a hand and lose, often tmes we feel it was a bad play or we should ahve made another decision. this is common among players and very hard to shake. When we lose a hand we can not help but question ourselves if was the right play.

     

    When we win, we think we are the shit and made the perfect play. Sometimes playing a hand and winning a big pot, does not it was played the right way and will not have that outcome most of the time.

     

    As for this hand , I am not positive what ther exact numbers are on whether or not it is correct to call or fold. Its very close either way and so many factors come into play that its difficult to come up with an answer right away.

     

    But the real question we should be asking, is not what you would do, rather, What should we do based on what the correct play is. We should not focus on what happened after the hand, or 2 hands later. The only thing that matters is understandning whether or not our decision was the correct one based on profit, not on outcome.

     

    As much as I don't like it (playing textbook poker) you are absolutely correct. Thank you for returning us to the fundamentals of winning poker after we steer each other off track.

     

    I am a bit surprised though, if you can''t tell us the correct play for this hand. Could you show us how to figure it out ourselves or where we can find out what the correct play was?

  • I have the answer to this now avoid playing 7/2 off either 3-4 handed or heads up unless you have a large stack like Ryan Pantling did in the ept9 final that I watched yesterday he bluffed that he had much bigger hand with the cards available on the board and odwyer folded so the answer is only play 7/2 off if you have a huge stack and can bluff like a pro ;)!!

  • The correct play is based on the other players at the table. You need to know stack sizes of everyone and payouts. Its a complicated formula that I honestly dont recall. Its been forever since Ive played sngs, and honestly never knew how to do it in my head. I used a tool called sng wizard to find out, but it was always after I played the game.

     

    However, afetr a while of using that program, knowing what to do became sort of second nature. you recognize certain spots and can come up with a pretty close assumption as to what ypu shoudl do.

     

    For now though, we can use this free site to input any hands we run into.

     

    http://www.icmpoker.com/Calculator.aspx

     

     

  • The correct play is based on the other players at the table. You need to know stack sizes of everyone and payouts. Its a complicated formula that I honestly dont recall. Its been forever since Ive played sngs, and honestly never knew how to do it in my head. I used a tool called sng wizard to find out, but it was always after I played the game.

     

    However, afetr a while of using that program, knowing what to do became sort of second nature. you recognize certain spots and can come up with a pretty close assumption as to what ypu shoudl do.

     

    For now though, we can use this free site to input any hands we run into.

     

    http://www.icmpoker.com/Calculator.aspx

     

    Yes exactly , we cannot definietely say that for example pocket aces or KQ should be played this or that way, it all depends on current situation and your thoughts and it's all to your decision. The decision you make is final, for example if all players are tight you can expect them not to call you, while playing against bluffer will cause you to do some tactics to let him bluff etc etc. it's that complicated and even more lol , that's why when posting hands it should be mentioned how other players acted on the table

  • Yes exactly , we cannot definietely say that for example pocket aces or KQ should be played this or that way, it all depends on current situation and your thoughts and it's all to your decision. The decision you make is final, for example if all players are tight you can expect them not to call you, while playing against bluffer will cause you to do some tactics to let him bluff etc etc. it's that complicated and even more lol , that's why when posting hands it should be mentioned how other players acted on the table

     

    POKER takes a few mins to learn but a lifetime to master!

     

  • Yes exactly , we cannot definietely say that for example pocket aces or KQ should be played this or that way, it all depends on current situation and your thoughts and it's all to your decision. The decision you make is final, for example if all players are tight you can expect them not to call you, while playing against bluffer will cause you to do some tactics to let him bluff etc etc. it's that complicated and even more lol , that's why when posting hands it should be mentioned how other players acted on the table

     

    POKER takes a few mins to learn but a lifetime to master!

     

    Exactly , spent 8 years on it only I know how much nerves and frustrations I went through it

  • what would you guys do here it's very early days only 2nd level in blinds so we do not want to bust yet you have 990 in chips you are raised to 120 you hold 1010 you re-raise to 240 to try and isolate the raiser(in the hope of a set or a good board) the sb calls the original raiser calls the flop comes 769 amazing board for 1010! sb bets 750 nearly her whole stack insta and original raiser insta calls now your turn what is the verdict here ;) lets see if you did the same thing as me ;)!

    what_would_ya_do..dib

  • I'm thinking they've either hit a set or that straight.  I would be tempted to call because you could well be in the lead so without any further info on the playing style of SB, I'd call.

  • I shall divulge the answer in due course see what others think first ;) Be interesting to hear a few opinions first.

  • I shall divulge the answer in due course see what others think first ;) Be interesting to hear a few opinions first.

     

    I'd like to think you hit that inside straight draw or runner runner full house.

  • Ok nobody else has weighed in so I will tell you the outcome now ;)! So as it was very early days and the bet and call was so quick on a dangerous board I mulled over it and thought perhaps it was QQ and KK I was up against here either that or one had made the nuts or a set. I folded 1010 and boom the original raiser had a set of sevens!! turn card 3 brick for me river Q another brick ;) the girl who bet him on the flop had 88. This has to be without a doubt one of my best ever folds! I was bang on about being behind!

  • Good guess on them hitting a set, bad decision to call (my guess).

     

    Good fold bigdk.  Don't you just love it when you do the right thing!

     

     

  • Good guess on them hitting a set, bad decision to call (my guess).

     

    Good fold bigdk.  Don't you just love it when you do the right thing!

     

     

     

    Damn right! If that was at high stakes and televised it would be deemed legendary!

  • Had a tough decision to make after shorty went allin and big stack re-razed. I folded and this came up. Have not played deep tournie that much past few years and lost my edge when in this situation because I play so many sit n go's now.

    It would be nice to hear comments from LCB poker players on what they would do.

     

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