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Re: What would you do? Poker hand of the Week.
« Reply #285 on: May 17, 2012, 01:46:40 PM »
This is a cheap tourney buy in and the blinds are 1k/2k.  You are about 4 places away from cashing out and you are dealt  

You have enough for one more big blind and you are currently BB in this hand.  Someone raises you all in (the big stack/table bully).  What do you do?

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Re: What would you do? Poker hand of the Week.
« Reply #286 on: May 17, 2012, 11:40:10 PM »
i have to fold this late even though the stack now, only the best to the blind well have to do in my opinion.

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Re: What would you do? Poker hand of the Week.
« Reply #287 on: May 18, 2012, 12:36:38 AM »
I'm going to assume that the guy that went all-in posted the Small Blind, otherwise he would be risking his chips against greater chip stacks than yours with whatever cards he has.  I'm also going to assume, just for these purposes, that he doesn't have a stellar hand.

The first thing that we have to realize is that he made the correct play given that he posted the Small Blind.  He's protecting his blind and he realizes that you are either going to Fold (and hope to backdoor your way into the cash) or call with whatever pile of crap you happen to have because a win will enable you to survive at least three more big blinds before you are all-in, by default.

In short, we're going to use this information to understand that the play he made is almost always the correct play, (something like 7-2, off might be an exception) so he doesn't have a dominating hand or anything...even though it could just so happen that he does.

Interestingly, heads-up (and you're basically playing heads-up at this point given that your opponent's decision was not based on the actions of previous players...they all folded) Queen-Garbage, Off-Suit is almost exactly a 50%er.  In fact, I believe it is either Q-5, off or Q-4, off where you first fall below 50%.

Because this hand has about a 50/50 chance of winning against x-x, I'm going to go ahead and call it.  

The reason for my decision is because I could find myself in a much worse situation when the big blind comes around to me again.  For example, imagine I were to get dealt Q-4, off again, but this time three or four players call the big blind (or raise/call) and stick around to see the flop.  With three players (including myself) still in for the pot my Q-4, off against X-X and X-X is only about a 25-30% hand.  If three of my opponents stay in for that, then I am about 20% to win against x-x, x-x and x-x.

In other words, you're not even getting even pot-odds at that point.  With the Q-4, off against x-x your payout was 2:1 and you were about 50% to win, so at least the pot odds were there.

The highest card often survives as a kicker in a heads-up situation, which is the reason why Q-4, off is probably a better hand than you expected it to be.

The other problem is that if Q-4, off is a 50%er, then the probability of you getting a better hand for your All-In in the Dark is just as high as the probability of drawing a worse hand.  Once again, the difference is that youmight be up against more hands in the latter instance, so technically you're hoping and praying for a MUCH better hand than your 50%er.

Finally, virtually everyone in the tournament starts playing a bit more conservatively when it comes near cash-time, except for your biggest stacks.  It's worse to be the first guy out of the cash than it is to be the first guy out of the tournament, because the first guy out of the tournament did not invest hours into grinding his way through.

In other words, it's pretty unlikely (and becomes less likely with the fewer people that will cash) that four players are going to drop out before the big blind comes around to you again, if that's what you were hoping for.  Further, you will also risk going all-in in the dark with a hand that is less than 50%, particularly if you are up against more than one opponent.

If you call and win, however, then there may be a decent shot of you sticking around to cash before the big blinds eat you up.  It might become necessary to make another move, though, but at least you have a couple of hands to wait for a more favorable situation.

Yeah, I'm definitely going to call that.  I'm 50% to win the hand heads-up against x-x.  I don't know if I am going to even get anyone alone again, so this could very well be the best chance I have at keeping myself in until cash time.
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Re: What would you do? Poker hand of the Week.
« Reply #288 on: May 18, 2012, 12:53:28 AM »
only 3 other ladies in the deck is what i am going with.. more than likely winning drop. if they come out.

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Re: What would you do? Poker hand of the Week.
« Reply #289 on: May 18, 2012, 01:00:18 AM »
In way fewer words than Mission146 (btw thanks for the lesson Mission! :-bd ) I would also play that hand at that point. And for pretty much the same reasons Mission gave, but in my poker shorthand to myself, it would sound more like do or die, cause you are going to die without a fight otherwise! And it is a low buy-in so, I won't be losing much but my time if the fight does not go my way.

Besides, it gives me another chance to say damn, I did it again!  ;)

So, my little blue, what did you do?

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Re: What would you do? Poker hand of the Week.
« Reply #290 on: May 18, 2012, 03:49:58 AM »
Thanks for the great replies everyone.

The guy that raised all in was not small blind, he was actually in the mid position.  I must admit that I hovered over that fold button for a short time. 

I thought about my stack and the fact that I would lose half of it when I was SB in the next hand which would leave me with enough to be "ante'd out" before I was BB again.  So it was a case of stand a chance of winning a reasonable stack now or be ante'd out before I was BB again.

So I called and the guy that raised me all in had 78 off.  He hit a 7 on the flop and I hit a glorious Queen on the river. 

That decision meant that I virtually trebled my stack because of the ante's.  I did in fact come 3rd in the tourney and trebled my buyin.

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Re: What would you do? Poker hand of the Week.
« Reply #291 on: May 18, 2012, 03:57:41 AM »
Way to go blue! Sounds like it was no "treble" at all for you to whoop butt and come in in the money!  LOL LOL

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Re: What would you do? Poker hand of the Week.
« Reply #292 on: May 18, 2012, 04:02:41 AM »
Way to go blue! Sounds like it was no "treble" at all for you to whoop butt and come in in the money!  LOL LOL

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LOL Great play on words Katt.

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Re: What would you do? Poker hand of the Week.
« Reply #293 on: May 18, 2012, 06:14:57 PM »
Thanks for the great replies everyone.

The guy that raised all in was not small blind, he was actually in the mid position.  I must admit that I hovered over that fold button for a short time. 

I thought about my stack and the fact that I would lose half of it when I was SB in the next hand which would leave me with enough to be "ante'd out" before I was BB again.  So it was a case of stand a chance of winning a reasonable stack now or be ante'd out before I was BB again.

So I called and the guy that raised me all in had 78 off.  He hit a 7 on the flop and I hit a glorious Queen on the river. 

That decision meant that I virtually trebled my stack because of the ante's.  I did in fact come 3rd in the tourney and trebled my buyin.

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Great play, BlueDay.

I think that I would have ultimately still called, but I might have been a bit more hesitant at that point.  Did he give a true, "All-In," or did he just raise your stack?

If it was a true, "All-In," I'd have been concerned he might have something, because then he is putting his stack up against other people who might call, and not just against you.

I probably still would have called, though.  Getting someone heads-up when you are hurting that badly is about as favorable as a situation is going to get.

Let's say that your forced all-in is King-Queen, suited, but two other players were to stay in.  You're only 47% to win with KQs against x-x and x-x, of course the pot odds would be there.  You're just looking to stay alive, though, so pot odds shouldn't be a primary concern, your actual probability of winning a hand should.

The odds are also not in favor of you getting a hand as good as KQs in the dark. 

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Re: What would you do? Poker hand of the Week.
« Reply #294 on: May 19, 2012, 03:50:09 AM »
I believe he put me all in Mission146 rather than himself.  He was not the largest stack at the table but the other players were quite tight so he was just bullying.

I figured he didn't have much and I was right and if neither of us had hit, I would have still won.  I was lucky not to be knocked out by his 7s he hit on the flop.

He made a comment in a foreign language at the end of the hand which I didn't even bother to look up.  I guessed it was something rude.

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Re: What would you do? Poker hand of the Week.
« Reply #295 on: May 19, 2012, 04:14:29 AM »
my last tourney was my 6th place finish for qualifying in the LSOP 4 seats to continue.. and well honestly just ran out of stack.. when the blind caught me with nothing really of much to call on..if i had just called a more occassional donkish hand every so often throughout the tourney i would perhaps had more "gas to finish"

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Re: What would you do? Poker hand of the Week.
« Reply #296 on: May 19, 2012, 04:17:22 AM »
my last tourney was my 6th place finish for qualifying in the LSOP 4 seats to continue.. and well honestly just ran out of stack.. when the blind caught me with nothing really of much to call on..if i had just called a more occassional donkish hand every so often throughout the tourney i would perhaps had more "gas to finish"

It's a fine line Tim and I know what you mean.  Trouble is when you keep getting the same rubbish hand after hand there isn't much you can do about it....and then you run out of chips.

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Re: What would you do? Poker hand of the Week.
« Reply #297 on: May 19, 2012, 09:00:43 PM »
I would print out the charts and keep them with you, or memorize parts of them.  I have parts of them memorized, but that's because the majority of my Poker play is at the physical casino.

If you're hurting and you can get someone alone on a 60%er or better, that's always good.  I think you would be surprised by some of the hands that qualify.  Would you have ever thought that Q-4o was about 50-50?

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Re: What would you do? Poker hand of the Week.
« Reply #298 on: May 19, 2012, 10:57:42 PM »
Yea i can see Q 4 50 50.. at some point to it.

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Re: What would you do? Poker hand of the Week.
« Reply #299 on: May 20, 2012, 12:54:24 AM »
Ok, here is a WWYD for ya... this was a freeroll for tickets to a Freeroll Super Series next Saturday. Additional info, 25 places paid, 17 places out of the money, all-in player was doing that a lot and getting lucky.

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