What would you do? Poker hand of the Week.

Well Blue, it is true that you would not normally limp in on such a starting hand, but you did say, and I quote, "Slow game and not much action at all," and that would make me think you had a good enough reason to limp on up to the table and put down some chips. You also said it was a "New to the Game" table... you'd expect to play some weird hands at such a table...

That said... I would fold the hand at this point... I have a personal rule that holds me in good stead and would fit this situation for me... that rule is, "Don't throw a lot of money at 'maybe'."

So, what did blue do?

katt

Playing this hand is perfectly fine. Id raise instead of limp though. You have position and can outplay most of the time.

I would make a 3x raise pre, then fire this flop about half pot every time. If I get called, Im done with the hand unless I improve. Not many draws on this board that will call and your going to beat almost every time you get called here.

And like I said before, its not worth trying to bluff someone of a hand when they are as u described.

I'd definitely fold with such a turn - it's hard to hope river would bring much more benefit, and as someone said before me, bluffing wouldn't do much good at a newbie table. On the other hand, I'd play this hand up to the turn without raising too much - perhaps just enough to get the feel of what other players may be holding in their hands.

Thanks for all the great replies.

Firstly, I wouldn't normally call with this hand as I already mentioned.  Secondly, with the play as it was, I probably should have either folded or raised rather than limping in (rightly spotted ohmesornhy).  And lastly, something in my gut told me to go with this.  I can't explain what it was but you know that gut feeling you get sometimes....

I have rules that I broke here too.  I called with Ace rag that's one rule (except for heads up of course).  I also broke my never chase a straight and never chase a flush rule.  Chasing hands like this are just bad for your bankroll.  Having said all this, my gut was telling me to call, which I did and it paid off big time!

See my pic.

My opponent went on tilt and was absolutely fuming.  He called me  a NOOB about 10 times, maybe more.  He was crazy.  I reminded him it was a "new to the game" table and what did he expect.  Everytime he was BB or SB he raised all in and each time I said "tilt" to him.  He was absolutely steaming.  Then I knocked him out with AJ against his 66 all in bet.  It didn't help the situation.  I've not been called a NOOB for a very long time and I admit, I felt like a noob having played that hand and called his bet on the turn.

That good ole gut feeling,glad you went with it blue.

I haven't heard anyone called a noob in a long time..too funny!! ;) LOL

:O That is fantastic Blue. Definitely a gutsy move. Very well done! :)

Being as I've been playing online since the good ole Pacific Poker and 888poker days and offline since I was a kid, I hardly think the NOOB status fits any more LOL

Needless to say, I felt like a noob and in fact came in 2nd in the tourney so I got my stake back and a little bit besides.

I love it!  You went with your gut and it worked out.

That is great.

medtrans

LOL LOL LOL I love it! I know what you mean by feeling like a noob after playing that hand... but, it was fun wasn't it?! Just love it when a tilted noob starts blaming you when they can't play the game! Great result blue.

katt

Thanks ladies.  Yes it was fun Katt.

The thing with these "new to the game" tables/sitngos/tourneys - they are not actually for noobs (imho).  I think (if I remember correctly) you have to have played 2000 sitngos at a certain level to not be able to play these.  (I'll check that out tomorrow).

blue

What would you do in this situation Straight potential on the river BUT if a 10 of diamond or spades comes up another player could have a flush that beats the straight you get..I'll tell you what happened after I hear the response ;)

what_would_ya_do.dib

My first thought was, what are you doing still in this hand after the flop... if it was me (I mostly play tight), I would only be in it if it was all checks to here. As far as where it is now and putting most of my stack in with those cards, not gonna happen... I would fold. Fits my motto of not throwing a lot of money at maybe.

Very interested to hear how this all played out!

katt

I see your opponent has a lot of chips.  He could be buying the pot and even if he is, he will likely have a higher card than you.    You only have 4 outs so the odds of a 10 are low.

There's a lot of cash in that pot and I really don't get how you got this far with this hand?  I would certainly fold (and would have folded long before now).

Interested to hear what happened.

Went all in a 7 appeared on river I was hoping for the 10 of course but I only won the pot with pair of 7s! this the times when luck and a bit of courage comes into it ;)!

Congrats on that bigdk.  What did your opponent have or did he just muck his cards without showing? 

Annoyingly I got swapped to another table and it happened that fast I never saw if they showed cards! hate table balancing although you get a level of satisfaction like you are too big for a small pond ha ha!

I also got my first 4 of a k today 4 10s! in a free roll tourney next up is straight flush and royal flush and I'll have had every hand in free rolls :)!

Well, gotta say that was a fortuitous result for you on that hand. Shame you got swooped away to another table before you could see the other hand.

I don't have that much luck, courage, or just plain craziness to have stuck with it hoping for that 10...

katt

I was gonna start this off by saying, "Not to be a jerk", but I think were beyond the politeness at this point:)

First off, you shouldnt be in this hand. Im gonna assume you either limped in or called a small raise. First mistake.

Second mistake is even questioning whether you should call a raise for all your chips with 3 outs and one card to come.

A wise man once said-" You cant make a living playing gut shots."

Duno how but when I go all in on these situations I'm fortunate alot its partly to do with my memory as these are legit poker sites the deals are as straight as a real live game therefore past cards give an indication of next cards to come up for example If I have 2 10s in hand and haven't seen 10s for a few hands I'd risk it on the off chance that another will come up on the flop turn or river. Also use this to my advantage with suits and its helped me decide on whether I reckon I'm gonna pull out a flush. I'm just a newbie at poker freerolls(normally place at least 50th out of 500 but often in last 30) but have played hold em for over 7 years now used to play for fun on Inter Poker. Something else I notice is people going all in on big blinds and then turning out to have nothing which is madness I'd say you have to have at the very least A high card,pair or the 2 cards you hold to be same suit wouldn't you guys agree?

Past cards dealt are no indication of what will come next. This is just random and in no way a reality. If you are basing your decisions on what cards have previously come, your looking at the game in the wrong way.

Second, calling an all in all dpeends on the player who went all in, their chip stack and a few other factors, If you see them go all in alot with nothing, then by all means call with high cards. I wouldnt call with any suited or straight cards. Having a and will do ok against a randoms all in range if they are shoving wide

I should also mention that when calling an all in, you will need  stronger hand than going all in yourself. Any 2 cards are no worse than a 2-1 dog against any 2 other cads. Even though you may have A high or other high cards, you will still lose roughly 33% of the time if you did this every hand against someones random holdings. Thats at least 33% of the time and will actually be a bit higher.

But, if you are confident that a player is doing this on a consitent basis with any 2 cards, you should win a majority of the time and a call is correct in most cases with just Ace high or even King high.

Now there will be times when folding is right regardless of what the other player has been doing. say you are on the money bubble and there is 1 or 2 playyers on a very short stack. You have Ax in the blind and the small blind shoves on you and has you covered. I would never call here with this hand and its  abig mistake if you do. The math involved will say that calling will lose you money in this spot over the long run. Even if you know they have a hand worse than you, folding is the correct play

Thanks for the advice I'll try putting that into practice today ;)

I have a couple of hands from the same game to post.  Here is the first one.  This is a $1 6 seater super turbo (300 chips).

See the pic attached.  What would you do here?

Looking at the game as it sits, it seems everyone is playing fairly tight and the all-in dude is the only one that is not holding all of his chips, so he may be making a bold play to make up for that. While I am thinking maybe he is the least experienced at the table... one stopper for me is that he made this move under the gun and that may mean he is indeed sitting on a pretty strong pair.

With all that going through my head, I think I would fold and wait... that AQ suited is strong, but if you are facing a high pair already in his hand lady luck will have to be dealing... I don't trust her with my whole stack real often and I would want to stay and play a while. So much hinges on that players actual experience.

Waiting impatiently as ever for the rest of the story...

katt

Thanks for the reply Katt.  Some really good thinking there.  All will be evealed tomorrow morning.

blue

I really wanted to get more feedback on this one.  I'll give it a few more hours and then reveal what I did.

I think since I like to live life on the edge ;) I'd call!!

me too.  Call it.

medtrans

I would normally call with a hand like this but my gut told me to fold.  I have found with these short stack turbo games, players will go all in on any pair and most often, they hold.  I did indeed fold.

So here is the hand and as you can see, I made the right decision.

Good choice blue! Excellent save... I knew Lady Luck would be dealing those cards and we all know she is a fickle B!7C# !!

katt

Agreed Katt!  ;)

Now I did say I have a couple of hands from this game, so here is the 2nd hand:  As you can see, I've been raised all in again by the same player.

What would you do here?

1st hand is a call for sure.

2nd one is right on the line. I dont think you can be right or wrong on this one honestly. Id lean towards folding, but your probably ahead. I just hate calling off with this hand on the bubble here. Id much rather be the one shoving. Such a shitty spot

Im not a sup turbo expert, but I would imagine that this hand is a call in a sup turbo and possibly a fold in a regular sng. close

Did I mention I play pretty tight? That being said, I would fold this hand rather than take the chance of being knocked out of the game. I am thinking though, that if you did fold it, you would not have anything to put in this "What would you do" thread... so I would fold, but think you stuck your chips out there because your gut told you to.

8'|

katt

With a A-6,I'd fold but did you get one of those feeling and call Blue?? :)  ;D

Based on this player's previous all in of K10, I figured he thinks he's ahead every time he has a king.  I also figured he was trying to just steal my blind as he'd seen me throwing the rubbish...and yes my gut was talking to me again.

I did call and here is the result attached.  It was a 50/50 shot but it paid off  :D

Sometimes you just have to go with that gut feeling,glad it worked out for you!! :)

great call Blue  :-bd

I did a little math on this hand. You have 21% equity according to ICM which means you would to win here just over that amount to show a profit. Based on this players shove range, you are ahead more than not. Calling should be a profitable play here.

But, if we switch the stack sizes, you need to be winning about 35% of the time which makes this a fold. Funny how just a small change in chips can make this a fold.

LOL LOL LOL well done blue... and there he was with his trusty dusty K-10 again... good on you!

katt

Sometimes you just have to go with that gut feeling,glad it worked out for you!! :)

Thanks Rosebud.  My gut has a lot to answer to at the moment! LOL

great call Blue  :-bd

Thanks Zuga.  Did you see the previous hand from the same game?  Same guy, same hand LOL

I did a little math on this hand. You have 21% equity according to ICM which means you would to win here just over that amount to show a profit. Based on this players shove range, you are ahead more than not. Calling should be a profitable play here.

 

But, if we switch the stack sizes, you need to be winning about 35% of the time which makes this a fold. Funny how just a small change in chips can make this a fold.

Great to know you can do all that maths stuff!  Thanks.

LOL LOL LOL well done blue... and there he was with his trusty dusty K-10 again... good on you!

 

katt

Yep incredible.  I probably should have made notes on this guy. 

This is a cheapy 50c buyin on Full Tilt hand #1.  Unraised BB (me).  SB calls and then we get this (see pic attached).

What would you do in this situation remembering that this is the first hand of the game?

Think I would fold because even though the flush is nearly there in poker there is no guarantee it could be a cold deck and you hit 2 diamonds also even if you make a flush it could be beaten by a higher flush if she has Q,K,A clubs with another club you are stuffed! and its first hand so definite fold for me, also with 2 cards for the backdoor straight its going to be luck that gets you there to be honest.

I too would fold this hand. My mantra of not throwing a lot of money at maybe would take over here. I am not sure but I think that it is only about 5% of the time that two suited hole cards end in a flush... and it would not be a top flush if it came through. Not that I would believe that the other player actually had a hand worth going all in... so, yeah, I would fold mumbling mild curse words to myself.

katt

Here are the odds of me winning:

What I did will be posted tomorrow to allow others to reply....

Looking at it again with the cards you have the only way to guarantee your win or a tie is if you hit the straight as I said before if your opponent also has clubs and has higher clubs than you you're screwed nothing worse than getting beaten by higher flush apart from the time someone hit me with a straight flush and I had an ordinary flush! sickening lol!

Here is what I did.

I thought about the fact that I had two overcards and a big chance on drawing that flush.  After a long deliberation, I called.

See the screenshot for the outcome.

Thanks for all your great comments.

You know blue, I think those green clubs look a lot like shamrocks... perhaps it was shamrocks in the pocket that did the trick for you!  LOL LOL

katt

You know blue, I think those green clubs look a lot like shamrocks... perhaps it was shamrocks in the pocket that did the trick for you!  LOL LOL

 

katt

For sure Katt - a little bit of luck goes a long way.  I came 2nd in the end.

Didn't take screenshot as I was watching football at same time was focused on my poker though and folded and played when I should! Ok so I have reenacted the hand. You have ACE & Queen of clubs the flop brings 5 of hearts,4 of clubs and 3 of clubs. You have potential for a straight,a flush and a distant straight flush also you could pair your queen or ace or both. I have worked out this at exactly 18 outs(plus additional depending on next card) ie 2 pair with one of the cards already on table and paired up with your hand) So in a strong position here opponent shoves all in what do you do pot was pretty hefty and I would make a pretty big stack if I win the hand.

Your Thoughts??

What_would_you_do..dib

Without knowing anything about how this all-in player handles himself at the table, I will assume he has been playing reasonably and not shoving every hand. If that was the case, I would fold unless that big a hit if you miss would not hurt you too badly stack-wise.

I am thinking that you did play it... can't wait for the Rest of the Story!

katt